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John Salisbury


John Salusbury of Bachegraig, Denbigh
*Son of John Salusbury of Bachecraig (d. 1685) and Elizabeth Ravenscroft, daughter of Thomas Ravenscroft (d. 1630) of Bretton, nr. Chester, and Catherine Grosvenor, daughter of Richard Grosvenor of Eaton (d. 1542), ancestor of the Dukes of Westminster, and Catherine Cotton. See Burke's Peerage under 'Westminster, Duke of' and 'The Family of Ravenscroft', by W. Ravenscroft and Rev. R. Bathurst Ravenscroft (pub. 1915, London). The family of Egerton of Tatton Park (Earls of Bridgewater) also descended from the Ravenscrofts of Bretton.
*Great grandson of Sir John Salusbury of Lleweni, Knight of the Carpet, (d. 1578) who married Jane Myddelton (d. 1588) daughter of David Myddelton, Mayor of Chester (d. 1548) of the Myddeltons of Chirk Castle. David Myddelton was the son of another David Myddelton by his wife Ellen, daughter of Sir Donne of Utkington. Ellen's parents preferred another suitor, a relation called Richard Donne of Croton. David Myddelton shot Richard Donne as he and Ellen were coming out of church after their wedding, carried off the bride and married her the same day. Thus Ellen was 'maid, widow and wife twice in the same day'.
*Sir John Salusbury was known as 'Sir John of the Thumbs', because he had two thumbs on each hand, and he is reputed to have slain a dragon which was terrorizing the town of Denbigh.


The Salisbury family estate called Lleweni, near Denbigh in North Wales.


Denbigh Castle was a short distance from the Salisbury Family estate (Lleweni) and the last place for the last battle that ended the English Civil War and resulted in the beheading of King Charles I. Because the Salisbury family was a defender of Charles many of them left Wales and moved to America.

The tomb of Sir John Salusbury of Lleweni (d. 1578), 'Sir John of the Thumbs', and his wife, Jane Myddelton.
*I have been unable, so far, to obtain any further information on the Order of the Carpet. The order definitely existed and Sir John was appointed to it in the first year of the reign of Edward VI. This is all I know at the moment.
*The line of descent on the original document, the 'Descent of Hughes', goes to:-
* John Salusbury's father, John Salusbury (d. 1685), MP for Flintshire, who marrried Elizabeth Ravenscroft (daughter of Thomas Ravenscroft of Bretton).
* John Salusbury (d. 1685) was the son of Roger Salusbury (d. 1623), who married Anne Clough, daughter of Sir Richard Clough (1530-1570), Knight of the Holy Sepulchre, and Katherine of Berain (Sir Richard was her second husband).
* Roger Salusbury was the son of Sir John Salusbury of Lleweni, Knight of the Carpet, (d. 1578) who married Jane Myddelton (d. 1588) daughter of David Myddelton, Mayor of Chester (d. 1548).
* Katherine of Berain (1534-1591) was the daughter of Tudor ap Robert Fychan of Berain (a descendant, in direct male line, of Marchweithian, Lord of Isaled, the 11th royal tribe of Wales), who married Jane Velville (b. 1510). ('Robert Vychan ap Tydr ap Ievan ap Tydr ap Griffith Lloyd ap Heilin Vrych ap Kynfrig ap Kynfrig ap Llowarch ap Heilin ap Tyfyd ap Tangno ap Ystrwth ap March Wystl ap Marchweithian, Lord of Isaled, 11th Tribe of Wales')
* Jane Velville was the daughter of Sir Roland de Velville (1474-1535), reputed natural son of Henry VII, by his wife Agnes Griffith (d. 1543), half-sister or possibly daughter of Sir William Griffith of Penrhyn (d. 1505) - see below.
* Katherine of Berain had four husbands (in order) - John Salusbury (brother of Roger), Sir Richard Clough, Morris Wynn of Gwydir and Edward Thelwall of Plas-y-Ward. Thus, Anne Clough, the daughter of Katherine of Berain's second marriage, married Roger Salusbury, who was the brother to John Salusbury, Katherine of Berain's first husband! It looks complicated because the Hughes are descended from Katherine of Berain's first two marriages and from her third husband by his first marriage. Norfolk Salusbury also came by Plas-y-Ward, the home of Katherine's fourth husband, so they may also be descended from him as well.
Sir Richard Clough (d.1570), see above, acted as the agent in Antwerp of Sir Thomas Gresham from 1552. The Dictionary of Welsh biography states, under 'Clough, Richard', that 'in December 1561 Clough, writing to Gresham, suggested the erection of an exchange for merchants in London after the model of the Burse in Antwerp...' This was the origin the Royal Exchange, the building of which started in 1566.
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Margaret Norris (daughter of William Norris)
*Her name is shown on the original document as 'Elizabeth, daughter of James Norris, son and heir of Sir William Norris of Speke and Margaret Salusbury' but this is incorrect. See Dugdale's Visitation of Lancashire (1664) - which is a contemporary document with an entry prepared, I think, from information provided by Margaret's elder brother, Thomas - the Calendars of Salusbury Correspondence (University of Wales Press 1954) and 'Denbighshire Pedigrees' by Lewis Dwnn.
*James Norris was the sixth son of William Norris and Margaret Salusbury but he died unmarried before 1664, the date of the visitation. In addition, William Norris (d. 1651) was not a knight. The only Elizabeth Norris of this period, that I am aware of, was William Norris's (d. 1651) younger sister, who married Geoffrey Warburton of Arley, Cheshire.
*In any event, all the sources that I have seen state that the lady who married John Salusbury of Bachegraig was either the daughter or grand-daughter (see above) of Margaret Salusbury, which is the important point.